1 00:00:20,810 --> 00:00:00,640 there 2 00:00:27,769 --> 00:00:25,320 reading citizens and welcome to unknown 3 00:00:30,660 --> 00:00:27,779 [Music] 4 00:00:33,030 --> 00:00:30,670 I'm Jason McClellan thanks for hanging 5 00:00:35,640 --> 00:00:33,040 out with me November has been a 6 00:00:37,170 --> 00:00:35,650 whirlwind of a month for me I just had 7 00:00:40,080 --> 00:00:37,180 the pleasure of speaking at Sedona 8 00:00:42,240 --> 00:00:40,090 MoveOn in Sedona Arizona on Saturday 9 00:00:44,250 --> 00:00:42,250 November 17th I gave a presentation 10 00:00:45,900 --> 00:00:44,260 where I shared some highlights from my 11 00:00:48,390 --> 00:00:45,910 career as a UFO researcher and 12 00:00:50,790 --> 00:00:48,400 journalist but the presentation mainly 13 00:00:53,160 --> 00:00:50,800 centered around the theme of my book 14 00:00:54,950 --> 00:00:53,170 pointing out the reality that UFOs are 15 00:00:58,320 --> 00:00:54,960 seen by people from all walks of life 16 00:01:00,660 --> 00:00:58,330 not just crazy people as is the commonly 17 00:01:03,299 --> 00:01:00,670 held public perception there was a 18 00:01:03,930 --> 00:01:03,309 really fun lecture and Sedona is always 19 00:01:06,300 --> 00:01:03,940 beautiful 20 00:01:09,810 --> 00:01:06,310 big thanks to Sedona MUFON for inviting 21 00:01:11,850 --> 00:01:09,820 me my friend and rogue planet colleague 22 00:01:13,890 --> 00:01:11,860 Shane hurt and I both attended a special 23 00:01:16,020 --> 00:01:13,900 screening of the first episode of 24 00:01:19,590 --> 00:01:16,030 histories of coming dramatic series 25 00:01:20,100 --> 00:01:19,600 Project Blue Book and this is just my 26 00:01:22,770 --> 00:01:20,110 opinion 27 00:01:25,260 --> 00:01:22,780 but I think this TV show is going to be 28 00:01:28,710 --> 00:01:25,270 amazing history did such an incredible 29 00:01:32,430 --> 00:01:28,720 job with this show it looks rad first of 30 00:01:34,370 --> 00:01:32,440 all but second for UFO fans this show is 31 00:01:37,380 --> 00:01:34,380 something we can really geek out over 32 00:01:40,470 --> 00:01:37,390 it's based on Project Blue Book and the 33 00:01:42,390 --> 00:01:40,480 main character is dr. J Allen Hynek who 34 00:01:44,040 --> 00:01:42,400 is a civilian scientist contracted by 35 00:01:46,470 --> 00:01:44,050 the Air Force to assist with Project 36 00:01:48,300 --> 00:01:46,480 Blue Book specifically in the way of 37 00:01:49,920 --> 00:01:48,310 debunking UFO sightings and providing 38 00:01:51,950 --> 00:01:49,930 prosaic explanations for what people 39 00:01:55,320 --> 00:01:51,960 were reporting from what I've seen 40 00:01:58,380 --> 00:01:55,330 Project Blue Book the TV show does a 41 00:02:01,200 --> 00:01:58,390 great job showing the internal struggle 42 00:02:04,170 --> 00:02:01,210 and frustration Hynek had with that 43 00:02:06,390 --> 00:02:04,180 silly exercise Project Blue Book 44 00:02:10,469 --> 00:02:06,400 premieres on History Channel On January 45 00:02:12,390 --> 00:02:10,479 8th I'm excited for them and of course I 46 00:02:15,660 --> 00:02:12,400 went to Baltimore the weekend of 47 00:02:16,140 --> 00:02:15,670 November 9th for alien Con and that was 48 00:02:18,449 --> 00:02:16,150 awesome 49 00:02:21,149 --> 00:02:18,459 the folks who produced that event did 50 00:02:24,119 --> 00:02:21,159 such an unbelievably amazing job at 51 00:02:28,500 --> 00:02:24,129 creating a wonderful hybrid of Comic Con 52 00:02:30,930 --> 00:02:28,510 and a UFO conference I met so many rad 53 00:02:33,090 --> 00:02:30,940 people there and I truly had so much fun 54 00:02:34,980 --> 00:02:33,100 as I mentioned on the last episode of 55 00:02:37,950 --> 00:02:34,990 one of the things rogue planet did at 56 00:02:40,080 --> 00:02:37,960 alien con was a live onstage podcast 57 00:02:42,300 --> 00:02:40,090 recording Ryan Sprague and I did an 58 00:02:44,850 --> 00:02:42,310 unknown somewhere in the skies crossover 59 00:02:48,210 --> 00:02:44,860 episode for the terrific audience at 60 00:02:50,220 --> 00:02:48,220 alien con and so citizens I'm happy to 61 00:02:53,370 --> 00:02:50,230 share with you today the somewhere in 62 00:02:56,940 --> 00:02:53,380 the skies unknown crossover episode from 63 00:02:58,860 --> 00:02:56,950 alien contemn or greeting citizens and 64 00:03:02,280 --> 00:02:58,870 welcome to this somewhere in the skies 65 00:03:04,230 --> 00:03:02,290 unknown crossover episode I'm Jason 66 00:03:06,930 --> 00:03:04,240 McClellan and Ryan and I are excited to 67 00:03:09,570 --> 00:03:06,940 be recording this episode live from 68 00:03:11,940 --> 00:03:09,580 alien Con Baltimore and we had the 69 00:03:14,790 --> 00:03:11,950 privilege of being joined today by this 70 00:03:22,590 --> 00:03:14,800 awesome audience at alien Con how are 71 00:03:24,630 --> 00:03:22,600 you guys today we were so worried about 72 00:03:26,130 --> 00:03:24,640 that being so early in the morning so 73 00:03:28,140 --> 00:03:26,140 thank you this is one of the first 74 00:03:30,270 --> 00:03:28,150 sessions that alien cons so yeah we know 75 00:03:32,370 --> 00:03:30,280 it's it's great for you to be here great 76 00:03:34,230 --> 00:03:32,380 that you have some energy to join us 77 00:03:35,400 --> 00:03:34,240 well what about you Ryan are you having 78 00:03:38,040 --> 00:03:35,410 fun at alien Con this isn't your first 79 00:03:41,010 --> 00:03:38,050 car no I did the last event in Pasadena 80 00:03:43,650 --> 00:03:41,020 this past summer which was amazing I had 81 00:03:45,840 --> 00:03:43,660 no idea what to expect as a UFO 82 00:03:48,510 --> 00:03:45,850 researcher you know I watch ancient 83 00:03:50,280 --> 00:03:48,520 aliens I I'm I'm up with the times with 84 00:03:51,690 --> 00:03:50,290 all that but I had no idea what to 85 00:03:53,550 --> 00:03:51,700 expect and when I got there I was blown 86 00:03:55,260 --> 00:03:53,560 away and that's kind of how I feel today 87 00:03:57,180 --> 00:03:55,270 here on the East Coast where I'm 88 00:03:59,100 --> 00:03:57,190 originally from so it's it's good to be 89 00:04:02,310 --> 00:03:59,110 home it's good to see a lot of familiar 90 00:04:03,990 --> 00:04:02,320 faces new faces and I'm pumped man yeah 91 00:04:07,220 --> 00:04:04,000 I love events like this this is my first 92 00:04:10,740 --> 00:04:07,230 alien con but we do a lot of UFO 93 00:04:13,710 --> 00:04:10,750 specific events and a lot of the UFO 94 00:04:15,530 --> 00:04:13,720 conferences are largely academic you 95 00:04:18,180 --> 00:04:15,540 know where they're they're focused on 96 00:04:20,220 --> 00:04:18,190 the large speaker component with 97 00:04:23,550 --> 00:04:20,230 lectures and and talks about various 98 00:04:25,200 --> 00:04:23,560 topics related to UFOs and what I think 99 00:04:27,420 --> 00:04:25,210 England con has done really well with is 100 00:04:28,890 --> 00:04:27,430 blend the two types of conferences that 101 00:04:30,900 --> 00:04:28,900 I go to a lot because I do a lot of 102 00:04:32,910 --> 00:04:30,910 Comic Cons and things like that too and 103 00:04:35,760 --> 00:04:32,920 taking the two kind of blending the best 104 00:04:36,900 --> 00:04:35,770 of both worlds in a topic that's 105 00:04:39,450 --> 00:04:36,910 centered around a topic that we love 106 00:04:41,280 --> 00:04:39,460 yeah absolutely and bringing a lot of 107 00:04:43,920 --> 00:04:41,290 people together that might normally not 108 00:04:45,679 --> 00:04:43,930 we all have this one sort of interest 109 00:04:47,600 --> 00:04:45,689 and passion in common in 110 00:04:49,399 --> 00:04:47,610 you know the question of aliens right 111 00:04:51,049 --> 00:04:49,409 right and you know we're gonna be 112 00:04:52,789 --> 00:04:51,059 talking a lot more about UFOs today 113 00:04:54,469 --> 00:04:52,799 absolutely how they're connected how 114 00:04:56,359 --> 00:04:54,479 they may not be connected stuff like 115 00:04:58,339 --> 00:04:56,369 that yeah so let's get into it so the 116 00:05:01,309 --> 00:04:58,349 focus of our episode today is going to 117 00:05:03,409 --> 00:05:01,319 be specifically on UFO sightings on UFO 118 00:05:07,100 --> 00:05:03,419 experiences extraterrestrial experiences 119 00:05:10,279 --> 00:05:07,110 and we're going to hear some of our 120 00:05:12,079 --> 00:05:10,289 experiences and also some of the 121 00:05:14,689 --> 00:05:12,089 experiences of our attendees here today 122 00:05:16,279 --> 00:05:14,699 so I'm excited for that let's get 123 00:05:18,439 --> 00:05:16,289 started with ours Ryan why don't you 124 00:05:21,229 --> 00:05:18,449 share whatever you would like to share 125 00:05:23,629 --> 00:05:21,239 yeah absolutely I mean so I feel like a 126 00:05:26,600 --> 00:05:23,639 lot of UFO researchers have that origin 127 00:05:29,509 --> 00:05:26,610 story of how they got involved why they 128 00:05:31,790 --> 00:05:29,519 do this with every free moment they have 129 00:05:34,489 --> 00:05:31,800 which is what we do you know we research 130 00:05:36,739 --> 00:05:34,499 study investigate UFOs every waking 131 00:05:40,790 --> 00:05:36,749 moment when we're not you know paying 132 00:05:43,789 --> 00:05:40,800 the bills and everything so for me I had 133 00:05:49,549 --> 00:05:43,799 a UFO event when I was 12 years old 134 00:05:51,409 --> 00:05:49,559 this happened in 1995 and it was off the 135 00:05:54,979 --> 00:05:51,419 st. Lawrence River if anyone's familiar 136 00:05:57,919 --> 00:05:54,989 this was the border between upstate New 137 00:06:01,040 --> 00:05:57,929 York and Canada and the the river 138 00:06:03,619 --> 00:06:01,050 literally connected the two and I was on 139 00:06:05,329 --> 00:06:03,629 a weekend getaway with my parents to go 140 00:06:08,959 --> 00:06:05,339 fishing and we were staying at a motel 141 00:06:11,809 --> 00:06:08,969 right right on the water and it was late 142 00:06:14,179 --> 00:06:11,819 at night and I was listening to Green 143 00:06:17,540 --> 00:06:14,189 Day on my discman that brings it back to 144 00:06:19,639 --> 00:06:17,550 the 90s and I was just you know casting 145 00:06:21,169 --> 00:06:19,649 my reel out bringing it in Kasana 146 00:06:25,459 --> 00:06:21,179 bringing it in and listening to music 147 00:06:27,589 --> 00:06:25,469 and I noticed three lights in the water 148 00:06:29,659 --> 00:06:27,599 and I thought there was something under 149 00:06:33,139 --> 00:06:29,669 the water so I start like peering over 150 00:06:35,419 --> 00:06:33,149 the edge and I noticed that it was not 151 00:06:38,959 --> 00:06:35,429 in the water it was a reflection so 152 00:06:41,479 --> 00:06:38,969 naturally I look up and above me I 153 00:06:44,299 --> 00:06:41,489 couldn't tell you how high up how close 154 00:06:48,319 --> 00:06:44,309 it was but it was three white lights and 155 00:06:51,019 --> 00:06:48,329 a like a reddish orange basketball 156 00:06:53,779 --> 00:06:51,029 shaped thing in the middle it was in a 157 00:06:55,879 --> 00:06:53,789 triangular formation I did not see a 158 00:06:57,469 --> 00:06:55,889 structure to this thing I didn't see 159 00:06:59,399 --> 00:06:57,479 metal I didn't see anything connecting 160 00:07:02,010 --> 00:06:59,409 it but the lights were stationed 161 00:07:03,929 --> 00:07:02,020 they were floating above me and I could 162 00:07:06,149 --> 00:07:03,939 not see the stars or anything behind it 163 00:07:08,429 --> 00:07:06,159 so I am guessing this was a solid object 164 00:07:10,260 --> 00:07:08,439 but I can't say for sure and it was 165 00:07:12,570 --> 00:07:10,270 silent I didn't hear a thing all I could 166 00:07:15,300 --> 00:07:12,580 hear was the water hitting the dock for 167 00:07:17,420 --> 00:07:15,310 us fishing I flung my headphones off 168 00:07:21,420 --> 00:07:17,430 waiting to hear for some sort of 169 00:07:23,489 --> 00:07:21,430 propulsion nothing I was really scared 170 00:07:26,790 --> 00:07:23,499 this thing was floating silently above 171 00:07:29,610 --> 00:07:26,800 me so I tried to yell for my father who 172 00:07:32,100 --> 00:07:29,620 was inside our motel watching a Yankees 173 00:07:35,760 --> 00:07:32,110 game so I couldn't get him away from the 174 00:07:39,629 --> 00:07:35,770 Hat but I was frozen I could feel like a 175 00:07:42,510 --> 00:07:39,639 vibration from the back of my neck going 176 00:07:44,219 --> 00:07:42,520 down into my chest during all this I 177 00:07:46,279 --> 00:07:44,229 don't know what that was maybe I was 178 00:07:48,659 --> 00:07:46,289 just scared maybe whatever this was was 179 00:07:51,119 --> 00:07:48,669 doing something I don't know but I was 180 00:07:52,740 --> 00:07:51,129 frozen I couldn't talk nothing I finally 181 00:07:56,820 --> 00:07:52,750 was able to get a little squeal out and 182 00:07:58,890 --> 00:07:56,830 my dad runs out and as he's coming out 183 00:08:01,739 --> 00:07:58,900 the thing starts going over the water 184 00:08:04,920 --> 00:08:01,749 towards Canada and disappears out of 185 00:08:06,719 --> 00:08:04,930 sight I don't know if it just went over 186 00:08:08,459 --> 00:08:06,729 the horizon or if it actually went into 187 00:08:10,529 --> 00:08:08,469 the water I couldn't tell you but my 188 00:08:13,559 --> 00:08:10,539 father did see the tail end of this 189 00:08:16,079 --> 00:08:13,569 thing so I knew I wasn't just seeing 190 00:08:17,990 --> 00:08:16,089 things he told me it was a plane just a 191 00:08:20,790 --> 00:08:18,000 plane you know doing his fatherly job 192 00:08:25,110 --> 00:08:20,800 but I knew different I saw it right 193 00:08:28,260 --> 00:08:25,120 above me silent massive and the next 194 00:08:29,879 --> 00:08:28,270 morning we went to the motel person and 195 00:08:31,860 --> 00:08:29,889 said did anyone report anything weird he 196 00:08:33,779 --> 00:08:31,870 said no but we get stuff like that all 197 00:08:35,909 --> 00:08:33,789 the time so that scared me even more 198 00:08:38,189 --> 00:08:35,919 this was not the first time a UFO had 199 00:08:42,000 --> 00:08:38,199 been seen in this area again I was 12 200 00:08:44,280 --> 00:08:42,010 years old I it was fear it was just fear 201 00:08:45,990 --> 00:08:44,290 I didn't know what it was and that kind 202 00:08:48,930 --> 00:08:46,000 of led to an obsession I started taking 203 00:08:51,720 --> 00:08:48,940 out books at the library on UFOs and 204 00:08:54,120 --> 00:08:51,730 cryptids and all that good stuff and I 205 00:08:57,509 --> 00:08:54,130 would have nightmares about what I saw 206 00:09:00,030 --> 00:08:57,519 and it just really stuck with me but I 207 00:09:02,370 --> 00:09:00,040 wanted to educate myself and I started 208 00:09:05,040 --> 00:09:02,380 getting all the books and that's kind of 209 00:09:07,559 --> 00:09:05,050 my origin story as it were and that's 210 00:09:09,360 --> 00:09:07,569 how I became a UFO researcher we'll see 211 00:09:11,759 --> 00:09:09,370 and that's that's a cool thing about 212 00:09:12,540 --> 00:09:11,769 your origin story is that it actually is 213 00:09:16,019 --> 00:09:12,550 tied to us 214 00:09:20,639 --> 00:09:16,029 yeah so you get to tell both of yours in 215 00:09:23,190 --> 00:09:20,649 the same time always fun though I think 216 00:09:25,110 --> 00:09:23,200 I'm gonna start just briefly by 217 00:09:26,280 --> 00:09:25,120 mentioning my sighting of the Phoenix 218 00:09:29,310 --> 00:09:26,290 lights you're probably familiar with the 219 00:09:32,850 --> 00:09:29,320 Phoenix lights it's a large mass UFO 220 00:09:36,630 --> 00:09:32,860 sighting in Arizona and it was in March 221 00:09:40,410 --> 00:09:36,640 of 1997 I was a seventeen year old boy 222 00:09:43,340 --> 00:09:40,420 back then and I grew up in the remote 223 00:09:48,420 --> 00:09:43,350 desert on the outskirts of Phoenix and 224 00:09:50,970 --> 00:09:48,430 on that night I was out forget our 225 00:09:53,009 --> 00:09:50,980 property had like I think our house was 226 00:09:55,079 --> 00:09:53,019 on like an acre or something of nothing 227 00:09:58,550 --> 00:09:55,089 but desert and we had very few neighbors 228 00:10:01,350 --> 00:09:58,560 was very very remote very very lonely 229 00:10:02,480 --> 00:10:01,360 but that night walking walking around 230 00:10:06,569 --> 00:10:02,490 the property 231 00:10:07,920 --> 00:10:06,579 the lights were very hard to miss we saw 232 00:10:12,480 --> 00:10:07,930 a lot of weird things in the sky all the 233 00:10:14,730 --> 00:10:12,490 time and just for fun sometimes we would 234 00:10:17,040 --> 00:10:14,740 go out and watch the military dropping 235 00:10:19,110 --> 00:10:17,050 flares because from where our house was 236 00:10:21,720 --> 00:10:19,120 we had a clear line of sight to the 237 00:10:23,790 --> 00:10:21,730 Barry Goldwater range where the a-10s 238 00:10:26,160 --> 00:10:23,800 frequently dropped the test flares that 239 00:10:29,610 --> 00:10:26,170 were later attributed to the Phoenix 240 00:10:31,319 --> 00:10:29,620 lights but I knew right from the moment 241 00:10:33,180 --> 00:10:31,329 I saw those lights that they were not 242 00:10:35,280 --> 00:10:33,190 military flares I knew that this was 243 00:10:37,550 --> 00:10:35,290 something out of the ordinary something 244 00:10:39,210 --> 00:10:37,560 that I had never seen before and 245 00:10:42,600 --> 00:10:39,220 something that I should probably pay 246 00:10:44,880 --> 00:10:42,610 attention to so I stared at these lights 247 00:10:48,990 --> 00:10:44,890 that were seemingly directly over my 248 00:10:51,900 --> 00:10:49,000 head a series of seven lights and they 249 00:10:54,600 --> 00:10:51,910 were completely motionless completely 250 00:10:57,030 --> 00:10:54,610 silent and did not change in their 251 00:11:00,300 --> 00:10:57,040 formation or their appearance at all 252 00:11:03,360 --> 00:11:00,310 they didn't flicker or change color they 253 00:11:06,540 --> 00:11:03,370 were just a constant steady series of 254 00:11:09,329 --> 00:11:06,550 lights hovering in the sky now this 255 00:11:13,079 --> 00:11:09,339 frustrates me to no end because of my 256 00:11:16,840 --> 00:11:13,089 career now but as a seventeen year old 257 00:11:21,400 --> 00:11:16,850 kid my attention span was very limited 258 00:11:26,050 --> 00:11:21,410 and after 15 minutes or so I kind of 259 00:11:28,499 --> 00:11:26,060 lost interest and went back inside did 260 00:11:30,699 --> 00:11:28,509 something else but I came back later 261 00:11:31,449 --> 00:11:30,709 probably 10 minutes later the lights 262 00:11:35,769 --> 00:11:31,459 were still there 263 00:11:39,240 --> 00:11:35,779 and it gets worse I grabbed our 264 00:11:42,759 --> 00:11:39,250 camcorder and I recorded these lights 265 00:11:44,559 --> 00:11:42,769 for probably 10 minutes I'm pretty sure 266 00:11:48,280 --> 00:11:44,569 that video was recorded over by one of 267 00:11:51,879 --> 00:11:48,290 my brother's soccer games so that that's 268 00:11:54,430 --> 00:11:51,889 haunted me for a while but the Phoenix 269 00:11:56,650 --> 00:11:54,440 lights was was an incredible thing and I 270 00:11:58,509 --> 00:11:56,660 will say that those lights remained out 271 00:12:00,999 --> 00:11:58,519 there and I didn't see them disappear I 272 00:12:04,120 --> 00:12:01,009 don't know how they left but I was aware 273 00:12:07,360 --> 00:12:04,130 that they were there for probably a span 274 00:12:09,819 --> 00:12:07,370 of 45 minutes and I will say recounting 275 00:12:12,069 --> 00:12:09,829 any of my UFO sighting experiences I've 276 00:12:15,639 --> 00:12:12,079 learned over the years and having dealt 277 00:12:17,139 --> 00:12:15,649 with so many experiences from witnesses 278 00:12:17,920 --> 00:12:17,149 and knowing what I know about witness 279 00:12:22,689 --> 00:12:17,930 testimony 280 00:12:25,269 --> 00:12:22,699 valuable valuable I value that probably 281 00:12:28,809 --> 00:12:25,279 over much evidence that there is with 282 00:12:30,730 --> 00:12:28,819 UFO sightings however I do know the 283 00:12:32,740 --> 00:12:30,740 problems with eyewitness testimony 284 00:12:34,960 --> 00:12:32,750 especially with my own I have a terrible 285 00:12:36,850 --> 00:12:34,970 brain and I know thinking back to 286 00:12:40,269 --> 00:12:36,860 something that happened so long ago 287 00:12:42,400 --> 00:12:40,279 I would like to firmly say that 288 00:12:44,079 --> 00:12:42,410 oh I remember there were clearly seven 289 00:12:45,759 --> 00:12:44,089 lights and they clearly did this and I 290 00:12:48,850 --> 00:12:45,769 looked at my watch and it was this time 291 00:12:50,110 --> 00:12:48,860 to the second I have no clue I don't 292 00:12:52,120 --> 00:12:50,120 remember what I had for dinner last week 293 00:12:55,960 --> 00:12:52,130 let alone you know what happened to the 294 00:12:57,790 --> 00:12:55,970 second on a night so long ago so I do 295 00:13:00,370 --> 00:12:57,800 try to preface my stories with that 296 00:13:01,900 --> 00:13:00,380 saying this is what I seem to recall is 297 00:13:05,199 --> 00:13:01,910 what I think happened to the best of my 298 00:13:08,199 --> 00:13:05,209 recollection but not 100% certain so I 299 00:13:10,120 --> 00:13:08,209 try to avoid very firm details with 300 00:13:12,460 --> 00:13:10,130 these stories Phoenix lights however as 301 00:13:14,050 --> 00:13:12,470 incredible as it was and it became such 302 00:13:16,720 --> 00:13:14,060 a monumental case you know the largest 303 00:13:18,490 --> 00:13:16,730 mass sighting in modern history wasn't 304 00:13:20,860 --> 00:13:18,500 the one that had the most effect on me 305 00:13:23,230 --> 00:13:20,870 and I hate saying this because it makes 306 00:13:25,600 --> 00:13:23,240 me sound like a jerk but to this point I 307 00:13:28,600 --> 00:13:25,610 mean I I've lost count of how many UFO 308 00:13:30,180 --> 00:13:28,610 sightings I've had and when I say UFO 309 00:13:33,190 --> 00:13:30,190 sightings again this has come 310 00:13:34,930 --> 00:13:33,200 from their perspective of somebody who 311 00:13:36,430 --> 00:13:34,940 is a UFO researcher and journalist 312 00:13:39,190 --> 00:13:36,440 somebody who's done this professionally 313 00:13:41,320 --> 00:13:39,200 I was paid a salary full-time 50 hours a 314 00:13:45,420 --> 00:13:41,330 week for a period of seven years to do 315 00:13:48,720 --> 00:13:45,430 nothing but UFO research so I have 316 00:13:52,210 --> 00:13:48,730 reviewed and analyzed literally 317 00:13:54,820 --> 00:13:52,220 thousands of UFO photos and videos and 318 00:13:57,010 --> 00:13:54,830 being a responsible journalist and 319 00:13:59,590 --> 00:13:57,020 researcher I got pretty darn good at 320 00:14:01,780 --> 00:13:59,600 being able to identify mundane things 321 00:14:04,180 --> 00:14:01,790 that they pop up in a lot of UFO photos 322 00:14:06,910 --> 00:14:04,190 and videos to weed those out and focus 323 00:14:09,580 --> 00:14:06,920 on the more interesting cases so when I 324 00:14:11,620 --> 00:14:09,590 talk about my personal UFO sightings 325 00:14:13,180 --> 00:14:11,630 sure I've seen plenty of chunk in the 326 00:14:15,280 --> 00:14:13,190 sky because the sky is littered with 327 00:14:17,350 --> 00:14:15,290 with all sorts of things that we that 328 00:14:20,160 --> 00:14:17,360 looks weird to us but the things based 329 00:14:22,600 --> 00:14:20,170 on my experience that defy explanation 330 00:14:26,350 --> 00:14:22,610 that I haven't been able to put an 331 00:14:29,110 --> 00:14:26,360 answer to it's I've lost count but I'd 332 00:14:32,170 --> 00:14:29,120 say typically it's about a dozen to this 333 00:14:33,820 --> 00:14:32,180 point and again the Phoenix lights isn't 334 00:14:36,040 --> 00:14:33,830 the most exciting one to me although 335 00:14:37,990 --> 00:14:36,050 it's the most well-known and became this 336 00:14:39,370 --> 00:14:38,000 this giant thing as it should because 337 00:14:42,340 --> 00:14:39,380 it's incredibly important and 338 00:14:44,590 --> 00:14:42,350 fascinating I think my first sighting as 339 00:14:47,920 --> 00:14:44,600 a researcher happened with the aid of 340 00:14:49,870 --> 00:14:47,930 night vision and if you've ever had the 341 00:14:53,140 --> 00:14:49,880 ability to use night vision and go sky 342 00:14:55,480 --> 00:14:53,150 watching it is incredible you see all 343 00:14:57,970 --> 00:14:55,490 sorts of stuff that you have no idea is 344 00:15:00,820 --> 00:14:57,980 there and again a lot of this stuff is 345 00:15:03,580 --> 00:15:00,830 normal stuff that should be there but 346 00:15:06,160 --> 00:15:03,590 then there are the things that make you 347 00:15:08,290 --> 00:15:06,170 scratch your head and maybe sometimes 348 00:15:12,430 --> 00:15:08,300 pee-your-pants but once they scratch 349 00:15:14,020 --> 00:15:12,440 your head for yourself and yeah one of 350 00:15:16,420 --> 00:15:14,030 the one of the first first times I I 351 00:15:21,010 --> 00:15:16,430 went a did an outing with with night 352 00:15:23,440 --> 00:15:21,020 vision I did see the objects that you 353 00:15:25,210 --> 00:15:23,450 hear reference so often of things moving 354 00:15:27,580 --> 00:15:25,220 through the sky seemingly like 355 00:15:29,500 --> 00:15:27,590 satellites with a similar behavior and 356 00:15:33,760 --> 00:15:29,510 appearance of a satellite moving through 357 00:15:36,760 --> 00:15:33,770 the sky but then stopping remaining in 358 00:15:38,620 --> 00:15:36,770 that same point and then shooting off in 359 00:15:39,340 --> 00:15:38,630 another direction and disappearing from 360 00:15:43,910 --> 00:15:39,350 sight 361 00:15:46,280 --> 00:15:43,920 those situations just take your breath 362 00:15:49,579 --> 00:15:46,290 away you're all that that can't happen 363 00:15:53,530 --> 00:15:49,589 but it just did so those are some of the 364 00:15:57,019 --> 00:15:53,540 better ones that leave me very excited 365 00:15:59,479 --> 00:15:57,029 and have happened multiple times but 366 00:16:02,179 --> 00:15:59,489 there's been a lot of weird sightings 367 00:16:03,679 --> 00:16:02,189 too I mean they're all weird but you 368 00:16:05,809 --> 00:16:03,689 know Ryan mentioned a triangular shape 369 00:16:09,739 --> 00:16:05,819 that's a probably the most commonly 370 00:16:11,900 --> 00:16:09,749 cited shape today but they run the gamut 371 00:16:13,729 --> 00:16:11,910 they really do and I love the names they 372 00:16:15,530 --> 00:16:13,739 come up with especially in the UK they 373 00:16:17,210 --> 00:16:15,540 have like hamburger shaped UFOs and 374 00:16:19,460 --> 00:16:17,220 things are great I've never seen a 375 00:16:22,579 --> 00:16:19,470 hamburger shaped UFO but I have seen a 376 00:16:24,799 --> 00:16:22,589 rectangle UFO and that one was was 377 00:16:26,749 --> 00:16:24,809 hovering above the freeway I was driving 378 00:16:28,189 --> 00:16:26,759 down the freeway and saw this object and 379 00:16:31,220 --> 00:16:28,199 it was it was dark so you couldn't 380 00:16:33,619 --> 00:16:31,230 really see or make out a shape of an 381 00:16:34,729 --> 00:16:33,629 object until I was directly under it and 382 00:16:37,009 --> 00:16:34,739 I could see that this object was 383 00:16:41,210 --> 00:16:37,019 motionless over the freeway and it was 384 00:16:43,489 --> 00:16:41,220 probably again Who am i but to make this 385 00:16:45,499 --> 00:16:43,499 assessment but I'm guessing it was about 386 00:16:47,659 --> 00:16:45,509 a hundred feet off the ground but 387 00:16:52,189 --> 00:16:47,669 looking up at it as we drove under it 388 00:16:55,850 --> 00:16:52,199 I could see edges and it had lights it 389 00:16:58,369 --> 00:16:55,860 had round big round lights on each edge 390 00:17:02,239 --> 00:16:58,379 of it so it was just a big big rectangle 391 00:17:05,960 --> 00:17:02,249 with two circular lights gigantic craft 392 00:17:07,429 --> 00:17:05,970 just hovering over the freeway and I've 393 00:17:10,129 --> 00:17:07,439 seen those actually a couple of times 394 00:17:12,559 --> 00:17:10,139 you know I've spoken to many witnesses 395 00:17:14,569 --> 00:17:12,569 who've seen very similar craft as well 396 00:17:17,480 --> 00:17:14,579 yeah it really does run the gamut the 397 00:17:20,480 --> 00:17:17,490 days of flying saucers have come and 398 00:17:22,909 --> 00:17:20,490 gone I mean that was a product of its 399 00:17:25,519 --> 00:17:22,919 time but we know now like people are 400 00:17:28,340 --> 00:17:25,529 seeing the weirdest things you can 401 00:17:31,879 --> 00:17:28,350 possibly think of some even seem organic 402 00:17:35,480 --> 00:17:31,889 I've come across cases where people see 403 00:17:37,700 --> 00:17:35,490 things like almost breathing or thriving 404 00:17:41,210 --> 00:17:37,710 in the sky like some sort of biological 405 00:17:43,940 --> 00:17:41,220 entity almost it's very interesting just 406 00:17:45,950 --> 00:17:43,950 you know trying to we we spent so much 407 00:17:48,919 --> 00:17:45,960 time trying to put things in a box but 408 00:17:50,960 --> 00:17:48,929 we can we can't I don't think anyone 409 00:17:51,350 --> 00:17:50,970 really can when it comes to having the 410 00:17:53,500 --> 00:17:51,360 UFO 411 00:17:56,030 --> 00:17:53,510 setting because it is something you've 412 00:17:59,150 --> 00:17:56,040 sort of you've never experienced before 413 00:18:00,340 --> 00:17:59,160 you there's no box to put it in and 414 00:18:04,580 --> 00:18:00,350 again I always try to keep an open mind 415 00:18:06,830 --> 00:18:04,590 even if I think I know an explanation 416 00:18:09,560 --> 00:18:06,840 the the most likely explanation for 417 00:18:11,810 --> 00:18:09,570 something that I've seen I know that 418 00:18:14,600 --> 00:18:11,820 that's just one explanation there could 419 00:18:16,370 --> 00:18:14,610 be other possibilities and one of those 420 00:18:19,039 --> 00:18:16,380 you know speaking about the biologic UFO 421 00:18:21,440 --> 00:18:19,049 that's another example of one of the 422 00:18:25,760 --> 00:18:21,450 weird ones that I've seen with a super 423 00:18:28,610 --> 00:18:25,770 crazy high-powered lens in Mexico City I 424 00:18:31,880 --> 00:18:28,620 watched this object seemingly swim 425 00:18:34,310 --> 00:18:31,890 through the sky and looking back at it 426 00:18:37,159 --> 00:18:34,320 now you know I was fully convinced this 427 00:18:39,020 --> 00:18:37,169 wasn't the case then now I as time 428 00:18:42,950 --> 00:18:39,030 passes I consider the possibility more 429 00:18:44,600 --> 00:18:42,960 and more that yeah it was most likely a 430 00:18:47,000 --> 00:18:44,610 research balloon a weather balloon 431 00:18:49,100 --> 00:18:47,010 because they do have this appearance 432 00:18:51,710 --> 00:18:49,110 that had a long tail where the payload 433 00:18:53,600 --> 00:18:51,720 you know is typically suspended from but 434 00:18:56,990 --> 00:18:53,610 when I was there when I was watching 435 00:19:00,530 --> 00:18:57,000 this thing move on the cameras LCD I 436 00:19:03,610 --> 00:19:00,540 could see these motions I could see what 437 00:19:08,330 --> 00:19:03,620 seemed to be intelligent color shifting 438 00:19:10,549 --> 00:19:08,340 it was wild and so I although I do think 439 00:19:13,760 --> 00:19:10,559 it probably was was a weather balloon 440 00:19:16,220 --> 00:19:13,770 and just a result of seeing with it 441 00:19:18,470 --> 00:19:16,230 being so high in the altitude I had high 442 00:19:20,570 --> 00:19:18,480 altitude and the Sun was reflecting off 443 00:19:23,960 --> 00:19:20,580 at quite a bit causing these seeming 444 00:19:26,270 --> 00:19:23,970 color changes I still come back to that 445 00:19:28,280 --> 00:19:26,280 possibility based on based on what I saw 446 00:19:30,740 --> 00:19:28,290 I'm open to the possibility of the 447 00:19:32,030 --> 00:19:30,750 biologic UFO yeah yeah well Roswell was 448 00:19:35,390 --> 00:19:32,040 a weather balloon too Jason 449 00:19:37,820 --> 00:19:35,400 yeah right well I think we should 450 00:19:40,400 --> 00:19:37,830 probably open it up to hear some of our 451 00:19:44,030 --> 00:19:40,410 audience's stories here so if you would 452 00:19:46,669 --> 00:19:44,040 like to share a sighting or an encounter 453 00:19:49,220 --> 00:19:46,679 that you may have had please come up to 454 00:19:51,409 --> 00:19:49,230 the microphone and again we'll try to 455 00:19:53,510 --> 00:19:51,419 keep these as brief as possible so we 456 00:19:54,890 --> 00:19:53,520 can allow as many people as possible to 457 00:19:57,169 --> 00:19:54,900 share stories and again you don't have 458 00:19:58,640 --> 00:19:57,179 to share stories you don't have to use 459 00:20:01,090 --> 00:19:58,650 your name you don't have to use your 460 00:20:03,470 --> 00:20:01,100 name again it's not video it's audio and 461 00:20:03,960 --> 00:20:03,480 certainly we'll be around all weekend so 462 00:20:05,310 --> 00:20:03,970 if you 463 00:20:07,290 --> 00:20:05,320 to share your stories with us and not be 464 00:20:07,920 --> 00:20:07,300 recorded that's also a possibility for 465 00:20:10,710 --> 00:20:07,930 you later 466 00:20:13,490 --> 00:20:10,720 so we'll keep talking feel free to come 467 00:20:16,020 --> 00:20:13,500 up to the mic and we'll jump to you as 468 00:20:18,360 --> 00:20:16,030 it seems appropriate 469 00:20:20,280 --> 00:20:18,370 I want point out I'll bring up another 470 00:20:24,060 --> 00:20:20,290 sighting I had in San Diego actually I 471 00:20:26,310 --> 00:20:24,070 was on my way to San Diego and this is 472 00:20:29,280 --> 00:20:26,320 how I get so frustrated at myself with 473 00:20:31,950 --> 00:20:29,290 how lazy and complacent I become with 474 00:20:33,510 --> 00:20:31,960 with UFO sightings because I just I 475 00:20:35,790 --> 00:20:33,520 don't know they don't affect me like 476 00:20:37,170 --> 00:20:35,800 they used to and when I've had a couple 477 00:20:39,930 --> 00:20:37,180 of these sightings where I'm driving and 478 00:20:41,760 --> 00:20:39,940 I see something remarkable and I should 479 00:20:43,770 --> 00:20:41,770 pull over and look at this thing and I 480 00:20:45,900 --> 00:20:43,780 even sometimes have camera equipment in 481 00:20:48,000 --> 00:20:45,910 my car and I don't you know take photos 482 00:20:48,750 --> 00:20:48,010 or video I just keep driving them all oh 483 00:20:51,540 --> 00:20:48,760 that's cool 484 00:20:54,060 --> 00:20:51,550 well that's the biggest issue we run 485 00:20:56,160 --> 00:20:54,070 into with skeptics is why didn't you 486 00:20:57,300 --> 00:20:56,170 record it why don't these people pull 487 00:20:59,760 --> 00:20:57,310 out their cell phone we have the 488 00:21:01,560 --> 00:20:59,770 technology now it's in our pocket every 489 00:21:04,200 --> 00:21:01,570 second why aren't we taking photos and 490 00:21:08,100 --> 00:21:04,210 videos of these things at least from 491 00:21:10,470 --> 00:21:08,110 personal experience I the last thing on 492 00:21:14,760 --> 00:21:10,480 my mind was taking a photo of what I was 493 00:21:17,610 --> 00:21:14,770 seeing I it's a very personal powerful 494 00:21:18,960 --> 00:21:17,620 moment even if it's a prosaic thing 495 00:21:21,060 --> 00:21:18,970 you're looking at that you later 496 00:21:24,180 --> 00:21:21,070 discover was you know something you 497 00:21:26,430 --> 00:21:24,190 misidentified that moment of seeing 498 00:21:29,130 --> 00:21:26,440 something you've never seen before your 499 00:21:31,110 --> 00:21:29,140 total your reality or perception being a 500 00:21:32,790 --> 00:21:31,120 skewed last thing you're thinking of is 501 00:21:35,550 --> 00:21:32,800 oh I want to I want to post this on 502 00:21:37,050 --> 00:21:35,560 YouTube Instagram it's just I don't 503 00:21:39,030 --> 00:21:37,060 think that's really um 504 00:21:41,520 --> 00:21:39,040 that's you're in that immediate moment 505 00:21:43,830 --> 00:21:41,530 like enjoy it for what it's worth that's 506 00:21:45,420 --> 00:21:43,840 that's what I say does it suck because 507 00:21:47,640 --> 00:21:45,430 we don't have photographic evidence of 508 00:21:50,330 --> 00:21:47,650 what you saw yeah it does but I think 509 00:21:53,400 --> 00:21:50,340 UFO sightings are deeply personal and 510 00:21:55,200 --> 00:21:53,410 they impact you in your own ways however 511 00:21:57,720 --> 00:21:55,210 your beliefs were before that might be 512 00:21:59,280 --> 00:21:57,730 shifted they might not who knows but I 513 00:22:00,570 --> 00:21:59,290 know so many people who are like oh that 514 00:22:02,490 --> 00:22:00,580 was interesting and they went on with 515 00:22:04,620 --> 00:22:02,500 their day yeah well some people it 516 00:22:06,120 --> 00:22:04,630 changed their entire lives yeah so the 517 00:22:08,130 --> 00:22:06,130 last one is San Diego they should have 518 00:22:11,280 --> 00:22:08,140 pulled over for I was actually going out 519 00:22:14,130 --> 00:22:11,290 too to San Diego to see Tom DeLonge a to 520 00:22:16,150 --> 00:22:14,140 the stars and I was driving it was it 521 00:22:18,970 --> 00:22:16,160 was very early in the morning I mean 522 00:22:20,980 --> 00:22:18,980 very like probably an hour or two before 523 00:22:22,510 --> 00:22:20,990 the Sun came up so I was still dark 524 00:22:25,140 --> 00:22:22,520 driving on the road only vehicle on the 525 00:22:27,940 --> 00:22:25,150 road and I saw this light ahead it was 526 00:22:29,980 --> 00:22:27,950 in the sky but I couldn't tell how far 527 00:22:33,280 --> 00:22:29,990 off the road it was I assumed that it 528 00:22:34,870 --> 00:22:33,290 was an airplane but as I kept driving it 529 00:22:37,120 --> 00:22:34,880 seemed to just stay in the same place 530 00:22:39,670 --> 00:22:37,130 and it was there for quite a while and I 531 00:22:41,950 --> 00:22:39,680 had a clear view for a very long stretch 532 00:22:44,220 --> 00:22:41,960 of nothingness Road and so I just 533 00:22:47,350 --> 00:22:44,230 assumed well this must be a planet then 534 00:22:49,450 --> 00:22:47,360 because clearly up my angle I'm out I 535 00:22:51,010 --> 00:22:49,460 can't tell perspective but it's a planet 536 00:22:52,660 --> 00:22:51,020 it hasn't moved it hasn't changed an 537 00:22:55,750 --> 00:22:52,670 appearance and it's it's pretty 538 00:22:57,670 --> 00:22:55,760 prominent so I think it's a planet as I 539 00:22:59,800 --> 00:22:57,680 kept approaching it was still there 540 00:23:01,930 --> 00:22:59,810 that's all that can't be a planet it's 541 00:23:03,100 --> 00:23:01,940 too low in the sky I kept getting closer 542 00:23:05,650 --> 00:23:03,110 and closer and it stayed in that same 543 00:23:07,390 --> 00:23:05,660 spot it's all wait a second I need to 544 00:23:08,860 --> 00:23:07,400 start paying attention to this so as I 545 00:23:11,770 --> 00:23:08,870 got closer and closer I could tell I was 546 00:23:13,450 --> 00:23:11,780 gonna pass directly under it and if I 547 00:23:16,180 --> 00:23:13,460 did I looked up and there was just a 548 00:23:19,000 --> 00:23:16,190 solid light there in the sky pretty far 549 00:23:21,970 --> 00:23:19,010 up but still quite seemingly large and 550 00:23:24,580 --> 00:23:21,980 bright as I passed it I saw a sign for a 551 00:23:26,950 --> 00:23:24,590 rest area so I took the exit got off at 552 00:23:29,530 --> 00:23:26,960 the rest area got out of my car turned 553 00:23:29,890 --> 00:23:29,540 around I was gone his covers nothing 554 00:23:32,080 --> 00:23:29,900 there 555 00:23:35,350 --> 00:23:32,090 yeah welcome to our lives yeah it's 556 00:23:37,450 --> 00:23:35,360 gonna pull over faster yeah yeah hi hi 557 00:23:39,970 --> 00:23:37,460 there I just want to share my story also 558 00:23:43,000 --> 00:23:39,980 I wish I had a closer experience like 559 00:23:45,820 --> 00:23:43,010 you but my friends and I this was back 560 00:23:47,680 --> 00:23:45,830 in the early 90s we were at the 561 00:23:49,960 --> 00:23:47,690 Wachusett reservoir and we were watching 562 00:23:52,810 --> 00:23:49,970 you know the Perseid meteor showers that 563 00:23:55,000 --> 00:23:52,820 night and we were looking up in the sky 564 00:23:56,590 --> 00:23:55,010 and you know fire up everything just 565 00:23:59,290 --> 00:23:56,600 looks like a white dot right those are 566 00:24:02,560 --> 00:23:59,300 the stars and all of a sudden one of 567 00:24:05,980 --> 00:24:02,570 those dots from north to south started 568 00:24:08,080 --> 00:24:05,990 jumping down in a straight line so it 569 00:24:11,170 --> 00:24:08,090 wasn't blinking it was like jumping and 570 00:24:16,030 --> 00:24:11,180 then it stopped in made a perfect 571 00:24:19,090 --> 00:24:16,040 90-degree change to you know to the east 572 00:24:21,700 --> 00:24:19,100 and did the same thing and then blinked 573 00:24:24,040 --> 00:24:21,710 off and I said to my friends did you see 574 00:24:26,440 --> 00:24:24,050 that and they laughed at me I said what 575 00:24:28,690 --> 00:24:26,450 could that possibly be but it was so far 576 00:24:29,420 --> 00:24:28,700 up you could be you know I start that 577 00:24:31,790 --> 00:24:29,430 sort of look like 578 00:24:34,010 --> 00:24:31,800 but it couldn't have been a star because 579 00:24:35,300 --> 00:24:34,020 stars don't move like that yeah so we 580 00:24:36,770 --> 00:24:35,310 really couldn't figure out what it was 581 00:24:39,380 --> 00:24:36,780 but it was exciting 582 00:24:42,140 --> 00:24:39,390 that's terrific yeah I mean the the 583 00:24:45,680 --> 00:24:42,150 whole stopping and making a 90-degree 584 00:24:48,260 --> 00:24:45,690 turn right to me I mean no conventional 585 00:24:50,630 --> 00:24:48,270 aircraft with a pilot could survive 586 00:24:52,730 --> 00:24:50,640 something like that and it was so high 587 00:24:55,000 --> 00:24:52,740 not like you know a Space Station 588 00:24:58,160 --> 00:24:55,010 doesn't do that or anything like that 589 00:25:01,580 --> 00:24:58,170 yeah so you do have to wonder for sure 590 00:25:03,590 --> 00:25:01,590 yeah I mean of course like you want to 591 00:25:06,350 --> 00:25:03,600 jump - it was aliens but we don't know 592 00:25:08,510 --> 00:25:06,360 all right no but at the same time you 593 00:25:10,700 --> 00:25:08,520 have to wonder if it was fun to say I 594 00:25:12,410 --> 00:25:10,710 can my father also had an experience 595 00:25:14,840 --> 00:25:12,420 that he told me about that was a little 596 00:25:17,840 --> 00:25:14,850 closer he was driving down the street 597 00:25:20,840 --> 00:25:17,850 with his wife and off into the woods he 598 00:25:23,420 --> 00:25:20,850 saw these rotating different colored 599 00:25:26,450 --> 00:25:23,430 lights and they both looked and they saw 600 00:25:29,180 --> 00:25:26,460 that it was some kind of typical round 601 00:25:30,920 --> 00:25:29,190 craft that was just going through the 602 00:25:34,430 --> 00:25:30,930 woods following the road that they were 603 00:25:36,140 --> 00:25:34,440 on and eventually you know got to 604 00:25:38,210 --> 00:25:36,150 forested and he couldn't see it anymore 605 00:25:39,770 --> 00:25:38,220 but I wish I had been there for that one 606 00:25:42,110 --> 00:25:39,780 cuz that was a little bit closer of an 607 00:25:43,850 --> 00:25:42,120 encounter and I didn't you know but yeah 608 00:25:45,800 --> 00:25:43,860 I find it fascinating it's really 609 00:25:48,170 --> 00:25:45,810 fascinating yeah yeah a lot of people 610 00:25:50,870 --> 00:25:48,180 always say like you know I want to see a 611 00:25:54,980 --> 00:25:50,880 UFO I want to see you understand that 612 00:25:57,530 --> 00:25:54,990 impulse for sure I'm happy I saw what I 613 00:26:00,290 --> 00:25:57,540 saw I guess it led me on this path I am 614 00:26:03,230 --> 00:26:00,300 today into this room right now even but 615 00:26:05,120 --> 00:26:03,240 at the same time it was really scary 616 00:26:08,090 --> 00:26:05,130 yeah really scary when you're young like 617 00:26:11,000 --> 00:26:08,100 that yeah it's such a young age yeah it 618 00:26:14,600 --> 00:26:11,010 really I wouldn't say traumatize me but 619 00:26:16,370 --> 00:26:14,610 it definitely changed my perception of 620 00:26:20,360 --> 00:26:16,380 the world but you didn't have missing 621 00:26:23,960 --> 00:26:20,370 time correct that's a tough one I had 622 00:26:26,470 --> 00:26:23,970 what many have coined the odds factor 623 00:26:28,970 --> 00:26:26,480 occur when I had my sighting this 624 00:26:31,610 --> 00:26:28,980 feeling of everything slowing down 625 00:26:33,140 --> 00:26:31,620 around you and your senses are just 626 00:26:35,420 --> 00:26:33,150 going all over the place like I said I 627 00:26:35,960 --> 00:26:35,430 had this weird vibration going through 628 00:26:39,740 --> 00:26:35,970 my body 629 00:26:41,680 --> 00:26:39,750 and just everything seemed to be blurry 630 00:26:44,110 --> 00:26:41,690 and going in slow motion 631 00:26:45,999 --> 00:26:44,120 you know I when I finally did yell for 632 00:26:48,399 --> 00:26:46,009 my dad to come out like it felt like 633 00:26:50,529 --> 00:26:48,409 forever when in reality it was probably 634 00:26:52,419 --> 00:26:50,539 just like that I don't know I don't know 635 00:26:54,279 --> 00:26:52,429 how long the event lasted to be 636 00:26:57,129 --> 00:26:54,289 completely honest memory is fallible at 637 00:26:59,139 --> 00:26:57,139 times what I remember most is how I felt 638 00:27:01,330 --> 00:26:59,149 and I think that's the same for a lot of 639 00:27:02,830 --> 00:27:01,340 people like they they grab onto that one 640 00:27:05,619 --> 00:27:02,840 thing they know best and that's how they 641 00:27:07,930 --> 00:27:05,629 feel during something not how high up 642 00:27:09,669 --> 00:27:07,940 was it how big was it yeah those things 643 00:27:11,980 --> 00:27:09,679 are great and we would love those as 644 00:27:13,600 --> 00:27:11,990 investigators if we can narrow in we can 645 00:27:15,249 --> 00:27:13,610 try to figure out what it was but at the 646 00:27:17,529 --> 00:27:15,259 same time whatever you saw that night 647 00:27:20,049 --> 00:27:17,539 and whatever your father saw like that's 648 00:27:22,269 --> 00:27:20,059 for you right it's for you thank you 649 00:27:24,759 --> 00:27:22,279 yeah thank you for sharing yeah I will 650 00:27:27,519 --> 00:27:24,769 say that you touched on it a lot of 651 00:27:29,799 --> 00:27:27,529 people ask us how do I see a UFO where 652 00:27:32,009 --> 00:27:29,809 do I goes go to see a UFO it's something 653 00:27:34,749 --> 00:27:32,019 that a lot of people ask and I mean 654 00:27:36,820 --> 00:27:34,759 sadly or maybe not so sadly that there 655 00:27:40,269 --> 00:27:36,830 is no magic formula to seeing UFO but 656 00:27:43,389 --> 00:27:40,279 what I always tell people is just look 657 00:27:45,340 --> 00:27:43,399 up if you invest the time you'll 658 00:27:47,289 --> 00:27:45,350 probably see something because there's a 659 00:27:51,009 --> 00:27:47,299 lot of stuff up there all the time day 660 00:27:52,960 --> 00:27:51,019 or night so this guy watching isn't for 661 00:27:55,149 --> 00:27:52,970 everybody it can be incredibly boring 662 00:27:58,240 --> 00:27:55,159 because it's a lot of time where a lot 663 00:28:00,789 --> 00:27:58,250 of nothing is happening but the times 664 00:28:03,460 --> 00:28:00,799 I've gone and really spent full nights 665 00:28:05,950 --> 00:28:03,470 staring at the sky you see some of the 666 00:28:08,200 --> 00:28:05,960 greatest stuff even if it's not alien 667 00:28:10,330 --> 00:28:08,210 the things the natural things going on 668 00:28:12,549 --> 00:28:10,340 in our world are just as exciting that 669 00:28:16,749 --> 00:28:12,559 are up there it's it's astounding hi 670 00:28:19,240 --> 00:28:16,759 hello um this was in the 90s I was 671 00:28:20,499 --> 00:28:19,250 visiting a friend in Pagosa Springs 672 00:28:24,249 --> 00:28:20,509 Colorado 673 00:28:26,919 --> 00:28:24,259 right in here dulce mexico so there's a 674 00:28:29,710 --> 00:28:26,929 lot of activity I hear around there so I 675 00:28:32,740 --> 00:28:29,720 was had been interested in UFOs and I 676 00:28:34,720 --> 00:28:32,750 was visiting her going and we got there 677 00:28:38,529 --> 00:28:34,730 a little late it was dark at that time 678 00:28:41,769 --> 00:28:38,539 and we went out on her deck had a great 679 00:28:44,649 --> 00:28:41,779 view so I I sort of I saw some planes 680 00:28:50,649 --> 00:28:44,659 coming in from the left very long view 681 00:28:52,450 --> 00:28:50,659 and so I I said hi hey just joking Wow 682 00:28:54,430 --> 00:28:52,460 two planes turned into about eight them 683 00:28:59,049 --> 00:28:54,440 being Bing Bing Bing Bing Bing Bing Bing 684 00:29:02,619 --> 00:28:59,059 as if they answered me here's a hi Wow 685 00:29:04,560 --> 00:29:02,629 Wow very interesting 686 00:29:07,659 --> 00:29:04,570 have you tried have you tried that again 687 00:29:09,820 --> 00:29:07,669 to go back to well to go back to him 688 00:29:13,779 --> 00:29:09,830 there must be some familiarity with me 689 00:29:17,080 --> 00:29:13,789 of me because this wasn't a sighting but 690 00:29:20,399 --> 00:29:17,090 this had to do with totally inexplicable 691 00:29:25,450 --> 00:29:20,409 and yes peccable when I was I'm a twin 692 00:29:28,629 --> 00:29:25,460 they liked it study twins I gather and I 693 00:29:32,649 --> 00:29:28,639 must admit about six five six years old 694 00:29:38,070 --> 00:29:32,659 in Indiana used to like to watch for 695 00:29:43,090 --> 00:29:38,080 whatever reason the stars at night and 696 00:29:45,850 --> 00:29:43,100 the Venus Venus I was just fascinated I 697 00:29:47,200 --> 00:29:45,860 was watching every night well and it 698 00:29:48,879 --> 00:29:47,210 must been earlier than that because they 699 00:29:51,279 --> 00:29:48,889 were still in diapers I guess must be 700 00:29:53,680 --> 00:29:51,289 earlier but maybe that's why later 701 00:29:56,409 --> 00:29:53,690 I was watching Venus having forgotten 702 00:29:58,869 --> 00:29:56,419 about this very small me and my twin 703 00:30:03,240 --> 00:29:58,879 brother in Indiana were found outside 704 00:30:06,759 --> 00:30:03,250 all the windows closed in the morning 705 00:30:10,600 --> 00:30:06,769 wandering around in our diapers doors 706 00:30:12,730 --> 00:30:10,610 closed windows closed that was 707 00:30:16,840 --> 00:30:12,740 interesting mom told us about it I don't 708 00:30:20,230 --> 00:30:16,850 remember specifically and then very 709 00:30:23,409 --> 00:30:20,240 shortly after that during the summer we 710 00:30:28,869 --> 00:30:23,419 would have simultaneous bleeding noses 711 00:30:30,100 --> 00:30:28,879 well duh something's happening there we 712 00:30:33,539 --> 00:30:30,110 didn't think anything of it all Glenn 713 00:30:37,450 --> 00:30:33,549 has a has a bleeding nose oh you do too 714 00:30:40,539 --> 00:30:37,460 we're in separate bedrooms yeah so that 715 00:30:42,669 --> 00:30:40,549 may have been some early connection but 716 00:30:45,070 --> 00:30:42,679 it wasn't visual other than I was 717 00:30:46,869 --> 00:30:45,080 looking at the Stars and and then in 718 00:30:49,330 --> 00:30:46,879 another interesting thing that when you 719 00:30:51,909 --> 00:30:49,340 think about it I had this big fear of 720 00:30:54,070 --> 00:30:51,919 being I didn't have the word abducted 721 00:30:57,039 --> 00:30:54,080 did not have that or kidnapped or 722 00:31:01,299 --> 00:30:57,049 anything but I just knew that I didn't 723 00:31:03,850 --> 00:31:01,309 want to be taken away and I and that 724 00:31:06,549 --> 00:31:03,860 would you that the thing under the 725 00:31:09,100 --> 00:31:06,559 the bad bad guy under the bed kind of 726 00:31:13,120 --> 00:31:09,110 thing or a closet no I was apparently 727 00:31:16,600 --> 00:31:13,130 very rather courageous because I got up 728 00:31:19,990 --> 00:31:16,610 and looked in that closet just to prove 729 00:31:22,570 --> 00:31:20,000 my brother wrong and I'm you see it's a 730 00:31:24,789 --> 00:31:22,580 lot it's a lot these things are very 731 00:31:27,039 --> 00:31:24,799 rarely chronological they're messy 732 00:31:30,780 --> 00:31:27,049 they're again there's snippets of things 733 00:31:33,789 --> 00:31:30,790 that we sometimes try to push down or 734 00:31:37,450 --> 00:31:33,799 don't want to remember but yeah that's 735 00:31:39,220 --> 00:31:37,460 all very interesting yeah he knows what 736 00:31:41,919 --> 00:31:39,230 he knows things we come across that a 737 00:31:44,049 --> 00:31:41,929 lot in researching the quote unquote 738 00:31:51,159 --> 00:31:44,059 abduction phenomenon thanks for filling 739 00:31:52,539 --> 00:31:51,169 in yeah I saw a cartoon because I was 740 00:31:57,100 --> 00:31:52,549 really worried about being taken away 741 00:32:01,750 --> 00:31:57,110 no no why I saw this cartoon of a teddy 742 00:32:04,360 --> 00:32:01,760 bear that that was a paper cartoon teddy 743 00:32:05,860 --> 00:32:04,370 bear and then the teddy bear some bad 744 00:32:07,780 --> 00:32:05,870 people were gonna take these people the 745 00:32:11,799 --> 00:32:07,790 teddy bear became a big bear and 746 00:32:13,930 --> 00:32:11,809 protected her I that was very that was 747 00:32:15,549 --> 00:32:13,940 helped I thought I thought of a teddy 748 00:32:17,380 --> 00:32:15,559 bear every time that would grow into a 749 00:32:19,419 --> 00:32:17,390 grizzly bear and those children were not 750 00:32:21,430 --> 00:32:19,429 being taken away see they were 751 00:32:22,480 --> 00:32:21,440 kidnappers I had a word for it then 752 00:32:24,340 --> 00:32:22,490 sorry 753 00:32:26,830 --> 00:32:24,350 there you go that's those are some 754 00:32:28,090 --> 00:32:26,840 experiences of mind wanders thank you 755 00:32:32,500 --> 00:32:28,100 thank you so much for sheree much 756 00:32:33,039 --> 00:32:32,510 welcome appreciate that hey I'll make 757 00:32:35,470 --> 00:32:33,049 this quick 758 00:32:39,039 --> 00:32:35,480 I live New Jersey by Fort Dix for 759 00:32:40,750 --> 00:32:39,049 McGuire for Lakehurst Naval Station are 760 00:32:42,370 --> 00:32:40,760 all together right I'm sure you heard 761 00:32:45,940 --> 00:32:42,380 about the finale and getting killed in 762 00:32:48,010 --> 00:32:45,950 Fort Dix way back and stuff this was 763 00:32:50,020 --> 00:32:48,020 back in August this year this would led 764 00:32:52,000 --> 00:32:50,030 me here as my first UFO conference ever 765 00:32:54,370 --> 00:32:52,010 I went outside of my mother's house 766 00:32:57,130 --> 00:32:54,380 right talking on the phone is little 767 00:32:59,140 --> 00:32:57,140 woods a service road and in this big 768 00:33:01,299 --> 00:32:59,150 garden parking lot power lines in front 769 00:33:03,340 --> 00:33:01,309 of me I walk out there talking to my 770 00:33:04,990 --> 00:33:03,350 cousin looking up I think at 8:10 a 771 00:33:07,030 --> 00:33:05,000 movie was coming on so at 8 o'clock I 772 00:33:08,860 --> 00:33:07,040 had like 10 minutes and I look up and 773 00:33:10,210 --> 00:33:08,870 you see a plane flying in the air and I 774 00:33:12,669 --> 00:33:10,220 look over to the left and a lane 775 00:33:13,990 --> 00:33:12,679 approaching and I remember whatever she 776 00:33:15,700 --> 00:33:14,000 was saying I'm like wow I said this 777 00:33:17,710 --> 00:33:15,710 thing's like really bright you know and 778 00:33:19,570 --> 00:33:17,720 she's like maybe it's a UFO 779 00:33:22,120 --> 00:33:19,580 laughs and when I took a step back I 780 00:33:24,340 --> 00:33:22,130 remember the power lines - plane moves 781 00:33:26,950 --> 00:33:24,350 under it because my head moves well this 782 00:33:29,350 --> 00:33:26,960 light like almost followed my head and 783 00:33:30,820 --> 00:33:29,360 I'm laugh-in I'm joking and this thing 784 00:33:32,980 --> 00:33:30,830 started getting closer and closer now am 785 00:33:34,960 --> 00:33:32,990 i my heart started pounding and I'm 786 00:33:36,730 --> 00:33:34,970 saying this can't be happening so 787 00:33:37,900 --> 00:33:36,740 instead of running like I was I stopped 788 00:33:39,370 --> 00:33:37,910 they said let's see if it's really 789 00:33:41,740 --> 00:33:39,380 coming after me and this thing was 790 00:33:43,390 --> 00:33:41,750 coming straight over me so now I ran 791 00:33:45,670 --> 00:33:43,400 when I got to the beginning of the trail 792 00:33:47,800 --> 00:33:45,680 I looked up and it was gone I don't know 793 00:33:50,560 --> 00:33:47,810 what made me look up but about 200 feet 794 00:33:52,480 --> 00:33:50,570 over my head was a ball of light and you 795 00:33:54,940 --> 00:33:52,490 can see something moving in it I entered 796 00:33:57,750 --> 00:33:54,950 a completely different level of fear and 797 00:34:00,340 --> 00:33:57,760 I took off what you said before 798 00:34:02,140 --> 00:34:00,350 brought probably after two steps I felt 799 00:34:04,930 --> 00:34:02,150 like somebody poured cement on me and I 800 00:34:07,180 --> 00:34:04,940 could barely get to the garage I was 801 00:34:09,220 --> 00:34:07,190 dragging my feet across the sidewalk as 802 00:34:11,290 --> 00:34:09,230 I was trying to like run in and when I 803 00:34:13,510 --> 00:34:11,300 got into the garage about a 2 or 3 feet 804 00:34:16,480 --> 00:34:13,520 it I felt like I got everything back hmm 805 00:34:18,630 --> 00:34:16,490 fell on the ground got up ran in the 806 00:34:21,970 --> 00:34:18,640 house my mother sees me all in a panic I 807 00:34:23,530 --> 00:34:21,980 don't know what to see you know I'm 808 00:34:26,410 --> 00:34:23,540 looking out the windows and everything 809 00:34:27,390 --> 00:34:26,420 and then she's like I thought you'd be 810 00:34:29,440 --> 00:34:27,400 back earlier 811 00:34:30,970 --> 00:34:29,450 what do you mean now I hear the phone 812 00:34:32,470 --> 00:34:30,980 ring and it's my phone I don't have an 813 00:34:34,930 --> 00:34:32,480 arm you know it's in the garage I go 814 00:34:36,790 --> 00:34:34,940 it's under my mother's truck I pick it 815 00:34:38,080 --> 00:34:36,800 up and she's like what's all the 816 00:34:40,060 --> 00:34:38,090 commotion out there and everything 817 00:34:41,560 --> 00:34:40,070 there's helicopters flying in back 818 00:34:44,980 --> 00:34:41,570 around everything and then it dawned on 819 00:34:46,780 --> 00:34:44,990 me it was pitch black out 50 47 minutes 820 00:34:49,630 --> 00:34:46,790 of my life was gone 821 00:34:51,010 --> 00:34:49,640 ran off the clock the question I have 822 00:34:53,320 --> 00:34:51,020 for you is people told me you should go 823 00:34:54,490 --> 00:34:53,330 to hip no therapy or something but other 824 00:34:55,840 --> 00:34:54,500 people tell me not it's like I don't 825 00:34:57,700 --> 00:34:55,850 know whether I want to know what 826 00:35:00,160 --> 00:34:57,710 happened because it blows me away that I 827 00:35:04,300 --> 00:35:00,170 can remember every second from when I 828 00:35:06,760 --> 00:35:04,310 seen it to the garage but 47 minutes ran 829 00:35:08,710 --> 00:35:06,770 off the clock oh yeah incredible but if 830 00:35:10,060 --> 00:35:08,720 you recommend it I don't know still like 831 00:35:12,010 --> 00:35:10,070 up in the air if I even want to know 832 00:35:14,260 --> 00:35:12,020 what happened I never say UFO before I 833 00:35:15,760 --> 00:35:14,270 don't even know what this thing was but 834 00:35:17,020 --> 00:35:15,770 wow that's my story 835 00:35:19,750 --> 00:35:17,030 nothing credible thank you for sharing 836 00:35:24,340 --> 00:35:19,760 in I will just add in terms of 837 00:35:27,120 --> 00:35:24,350 hypnotherapy it's tough it's I think 838 00:35:29,680 --> 00:35:27,130 again it's up to the individual I don't 839 00:35:30,800 --> 00:35:29,690 promote it I also don't condemn it by 840 00:35:32,180 --> 00:35:30,810 any means if 841 00:35:34,970 --> 00:35:32,190 you wanted if you if that's something 842 00:35:38,030 --> 00:35:34,980 you want to do to try to get some stuff 843 00:35:41,690 --> 00:35:38,040 out I say go for it but at the same time 844 00:35:43,880 --> 00:35:41,700 it's hard it's hard because you have to 845 00:35:45,500 --> 00:35:43,890 trust the person you're going to you 846 00:35:48,020 --> 00:35:45,510 have to make sure that there's no sort 847 00:35:50,660 --> 00:35:48,030 of contamination or leading questions 848 00:35:53,510 --> 00:35:50,670 when it comes to all that and it also if 849 00:35:56,480 --> 00:35:53,520 you want to remember what happened is 850 00:35:58,010 --> 00:35:56,490 another big one if your cook if you're 851 00:36:00,800 --> 00:35:58,020 good with what you remember 852 00:36:04,250 --> 00:36:00,810 I say that's enough for me that that 853 00:36:07,130 --> 00:36:04,260 event clearly had an impact on you and I 854 00:36:10,280 --> 00:36:07,140 say run with that not to make light of 855 00:36:14,720 --> 00:36:10,290 any any situation like that but you know 856 00:36:18,140 --> 00:36:14,730 I've certainly been told by many many 857 00:36:23,510 --> 00:36:18,150 many people over the years at UFO 858 00:36:27,410 --> 00:36:23,520 conferences that they can fill in blanks 859 00:36:29,960 --> 00:36:27,420 for me and they have they're happy to 860 00:36:32,030 --> 00:36:29,970 and and have informed me that I'm a 861 00:36:33,890 --> 00:36:32,040 collaborator collaborator with 862 00:36:35,510 --> 00:36:33,900 extraterrestrials and they've been 863 00:36:37,370 --> 00:36:35,520 aboard the same ships I have and I've 864 00:36:39,920 --> 00:36:37,380 been been a commander aboard a ship and 865 00:36:41,750 --> 00:36:39,930 and they were taken the the same night I 866 00:36:44,300 --> 00:36:41,760 was there and they saw me working with 867 00:36:47,840 --> 00:36:44,310 the extraterrestrials so I've heard that 868 00:36:49,790 --> 00:36:47,850 story multiple times so I hear it 869 00:36:53,570 --> 00:36:49,800 without going to hypnotherapist I know a 870 00:36:54,890 --> 00:36:53,580 lot of hypnotherapist Yvonne Smith is a 871 00:36:57,980 --> 00:36:54,900 good one I would recommend if you're 872 00:36:59,750 --> 00:36:57,990 looking for something like that but I 873 00:37:00,200 --> 00:36:59,760 don't know I would take it with a grain 874 00:37:04,190 --> 00:37:00,210 of salt 875 00:37:06,350 --> 00:37:04,200 yeah go to an actual therapist too if 876 00:37:08,360 --> 00:37:06,360 you know good work yeah 877 00:37:10,940 --> 00:37:08,370 yeah if someone who's completely 878 00:37:13,520 --> 00:37:10,950 disconnected from the UFO topic might be 879 00:37:15,710 --> 00:37:13,530 a good choice or again yeah deal with it 880 00:37:20,059 --> 00:37:15,720 on your own terms I guess yeah that's 881 00:37:23,329 --> 00:37:20,069 right yeah it's good advice hello 882 00:37:27,839 --> 00:37:23,339 this this happened about three years ago 883 00:37:31,289 --> 00:37:27,849 and in Ashburn Virginia it's not too far 884 00:37:33,809 --> 00:37:31,299 from Dulles Airport and this was at 885 00:37:36,089 --> 00:37:33,819 nighttime about 8:30 or so I was picking 886 00:37:38,220 --> 00:37:36,099 my daughter up from work and I just 887 00:37:39,750 --> 00:37:38,230 always have a habit of just looking up 888 00:37:45,599 --> 00:37:39,760 at night I don't know why I just always 889 00:37:48,510 --> 00:37:45,609 do and I noticed 12 objects in the sky 890 00:37:51,809 --> 00:37:48,520 and I was like okay this is kind of 891 00:37:53,730 --> 00:37:51,819 strange because there were 12 let's say 892 00:37:55,530 --> 00:37:53,740 flying saucers but like 12 disc-like 893 00:37:57,990 --> 00:37:55,540 objects and they were all kind of 894 00:38:00,900 --> 00:37:58,000 bunched together and they had like it 895 00:38:03,420 --> 00:38:00,910 was like red white and green lights and 896 00:38:05,940 --> 00:38:03,430 they were traveling as a bunch and I 897 00:38:08,220 --> 00:38:05,950 told my kids I had my kids in the car 898 00:38:11,099 --> 00:38:08,230 I was like look you know look what is 899 00:38:12,690 --> 00:38:11,109 that and they're like oh no and so we 900 00:38:14,789 --> 00:38:12,700 watched him for a minute 901 00:38:17,370 --> 00:38:14,799 and as I was driving I kept looking I'm 902 00:38:18,930 --> 00:38:17,380 like what's going on and then all of a 903 00:38:22,799 --> 00:38:18,940 sudden it was like there was a sudden 904 00:38:25,170 --> 00:38:22,809 drop and then they darted off in 905 00:38:27,120 --> 00:38:25,180 different directions quickly and I've 906 00:38:29,130 --> 00:38:27,130 never seen anything like that I'm like 907 00:38:31,559 --> 00:38:29,140 planes don't travel like that and planes 908 00:38:34,260 --> 00:38:31,569 wouldn't you know do what what I saw 909 00:38:37,049 --> 00:38:34,270 like what in the world is that and we 910 00:38:38,819 --> 00:38:37,059 were as I was driving I was like oh my 911 00:38:40,589 --> 00:38:38,829 goodness I'm so scared I just want to 912 00:38:41,940 --> 00:38:40,599 hurry up and get in my house because I 913 00:38:43,200 --> 00:38:41,950 didn't know what was going on I called 914 00:38:44,609 --> 00:38:43,210 my husband at work he thought I was 915 00:38:46,079 --> 00:38:44,619 crazy I'm like there's something going 916 00:38:47,549 --> 00:38:46,089 on in the sky I don't know if you don't 917 00:38:50,030 --> 00:38:47,559 hear from me again this is what's going 918 00:38:53,099 --> 00:38:50,040 on and 919 00:38:54,750 --> 00:38:53,109 and I told some of my co-workers and 920 00:38:56,190 --> 00:38:54,760 stuff the next day what I saw and 921 00:38:58,109 --> 00:38:56,200 everybody's like oh you're crazy you're 922 00:39:00,210 --> 00:38:58,119 crazy is nothing and you know and we're 923 00:39:02,730 --> 00:39:00,220 so close to Dulles it was planes I'm 924 00:39:04,559 --> 00:39:02,740 like no it's not planes and I have a 925 00:39:05,880 --> 00:39:04,569 cousin who's a pilot and I was telling 926 00:39:08,039 --> 00:39:05,890 him about it he's like no planes don't 927 00:39:10,920 --> 00:39:08,049 act like that so I don't know what it 928 00:39:13,880 --> 00:39:10,930 was but it really scared me yeah it's 929 00:39:16,920 --> 00:39:13,890 it's I feel like it's in our nature to 930 00:39:18,329 --> 00:39:16,930 have that defense first you know we see 931 00:39:20,059 --> 00:39:18,339 something we don't know what it is we 932 00:39:22,740 --> 00:39:20,069 can't explain it's gonna be a threat 933 00:39:24,660 --> 00:39:22,750 possibly a threat you know whereas some 934 00:39:27,150 --> 00:39:24,670 people you know like someone like Travis 935 00:39:28,680 --> 00:39:27,160 Walton saw a UFO nose like I'm gonna go 936 00:39:29,930 --> 00:39:28,690 I'm gonna go out and I want to see 937 00:39:32,510 --> 00:39:29,940 what's going on with this 938 00:39:34,400 --> 00:39:32,520 so those are rare occasions I would say 939 00:39:37,190 --> 00:39:34,410 well not that wonder awe and excitement 940 00:39:39,200 --> 00:39:37,200 takes over it was just it was scary and 941 00:39:41,300 --> 00:39:39,210 I guess what really scare me is the fact 942 00:39:43,579 --> 00:39:41,310 there were so many of them because I I 943 00:39:45,410 --> 00:39:43,589 stopped counting at 12 there may have 944 00:39:46,940 --> 00:39:45,420 been more than that but the fact that 945 00:39:48,589 --> 00:39:46,950 they were just you know they were all 946 00:39:50,390 --> 00:39:48,599 kind of traveling together for a minute 947 00:39:52,670 --> 00:39:50,400 and they just darted I mean like a 948 00:39:54,410 --> 00:39:52,680 sudden drop almost and then this one 949 00:39:57,020 --> 00:39:54,420 went here and this one I mean this in 950 00:40:01,450 --> 00:39:57,030 different directions quickly interesting 951 00:40:04,220 --> 00:40:01,460 well thank you thank you it was how 952 00:40:07,460 --> 00:40:04,230 common UFOs are I mean they're seen 953 00:40:09,740 --> 00:40:07,470 every day by people all over the world 954 00:40:12,859 --> 00:40:09,750 you know it's fascinating and and sad 955 00:40:15,020 --> 00:40:12,869 that we still have to deal with the 956 00:40:17,420 --> 00:40:15,030 ridicule factor it's still so strong I 957 00:40:19,370 --> 00:40:17,430 mean you know I'm sure many of us have 958 00:40:20,930 --> 00:40:19,380 had that reaction and were telling 959 00:40:23,210 --> 00:40:20,940 telling people a story or something that 960 00:40:25,010 --> 00:40:23,220 happened to us and getting that getting 961 00:40:27,079 --> 00:40:25,020 that laugh getting the ridicule I have 962 00:40:30,260 --> 00:40:27,089 lost so many second dates bringing up 963 00:40:32,300 --> 00:40:30,270 this topic it's a good way to weed out a 964 00:40:34,550 --> 00:40:32,310 date though it is it's true it really is 965 00:40:38,870 --> 00:40:34,560 a good filtering mechanism I guess for 966 00:40:40,010 --> 00:40:38,880 sure mine is more of an experience that 967 00:40:41,120 --> 00:40:40,020 I can't explain 968 00:40:42,920 --> 00:40:41,130 [Music] 969 00:40:45,559 --> 00:40:42,930 I'm a few decades older than you guys 970 00:40:48,079 --> 00:40:45,569 but this first part of this that 971 00:40:50,359 --> 00:40:48,089 happened in the 50s and unlike most 972 00:40:52,490 --> 00:40:50,369 people I can remember my childhood very 973 00:40:55,040 --> 00:40:52,500 vividly and I was very precocious and 974 00:40:56,480 --> 00:40:55,050 active walked at seven months started 975 00:40:58,550 --> 00:40:56,490 knocking things off the top of the 976 00:41:01,880 --> 00:40:58,560 refrigerator by climbing up right after 977 00:41:04,730 --> 00:41:01,890 that so I was about two and we were 978 00:41:06,890 --> 00:41:04,740 traveling through Missouri and I heard 979 00:41:09,290 --> 00:41:06,900 Mike was in the back seat and I heard my 980 00:41:11,960 --> 00:41:09,300 father say look at that look at that and 981 00:41:14,390 --> 00:41:11,970 he says what is that and he and my 982 00:41:16,579 --> 00:41:14,400 mother got out they stopped the car and 983 00:41:17,990 --> 00:41:16,589 got out to look at whatever it was and I 984 00:41:19,490 --> 00:41:18,000 thought oh I want to see it - you know 985 00:41:21,740 --> 00:41:19,500 I'm mr. Ram bumptious I got to be in 986 00:41:23,630 --> 00:41:21,750 everything but the whole time I felt 987 00:41:26,300 --> 00:41:23,640 like something was pressing me down on 988 00:41:28,790 --> 00:41:26,310 the back seat and I couldn't get up and 989 00:41:31,400 --> 00:41:28,800 then I went to sleep now 990 00:41:33,559 --> 00:41:31,410 jump for it a couple of years I lived in 991 00:41:37,069 --> 00:41:33,569 very isolated areas we didn't have a 992 00:41:38,420 --> 00:41:37,079 television I had no exposure to anything 993 00:41:39,740 --> 00:41:38,430 that would be considered 994 00:41:42,200 --> 00:41:39,750 science fiction or anything else 995 00:41:44,750 --> 00:41:42,210 although I think my father had taken 996 00:41:48,170 --> 00:41:44,760 some astronomy at PhD so that was one of 997 00:41:51,109 --> 00:41:48,180 the courses he took but when I was five 998 00:41:54,319 --> 00:41:51,119 I had this really vivid dream I can 999 00:41:56,809 --> 00:41:54,329 still visualize it and it was something 1000 00:41:58,970 --> 00:41:56,819 I couldn't understand and I didn't have 1001 00:42:00,410 --> 00:41:58,980 the vocabulary to explain it which you 1002 00:42:02,799 --> 00:42:00,420 know makes me feel a little bit 1003 00:42:05,450 --> 00:42:02,809 sympathetic towards the stories of 1004 00:42:07,160 --> 00:42:05,460 encounters from the Bible and whatnot 1005 00:42:09,680 --> 00:42:07,170 because they didn't have a technical 1006 00:42:11,870 --> 00:42:09,690 language either but I tried to tell my 1007 00:42:14,290 --> 00:42:11,880 father about it after I woke up and I'm 1008 00:42:17,059 --> 00:42:14,300 giving him these detailed and you know 1009 00:42:20,589 --> 00:42:17,069 descriptions and he kind of teared up he 1010 00:42:24,349 --> 00:42:20,599 says what you just described was a 1011 00:42:26,299 --> 00:42:24,359 spaceship going around Mars and the two 1012 00:42:29,299 --> 00:42:26,309 smaller items were Phobos and Deimos 1013 00:42:31,540 --> 00:42:29,309 which are the moons I had never heard of 1014 00:42:35,710 --> 00:42:31,550 anything like that but it was just 1015 00:42:38,210 --> 00:42:35,720 really vivid so I don't know if some 1016 00:42:40,460 --> 00:42:38,220 information was implanted or how that 1017 00:42:41,079 --> 00:42:40,470 would have come about but that's my 1018 00:42:43,730 --> 00:42:41,089 story 1019 00:42:46,339 --> 00:42:43,740 fantastic thank you for saying thank you 1020 00:42:49,880 --> 00:42:46,349 yeah there's always a interesting 1021 00:42:51,339 --> 00:42:49,890 physiological effect to I think a lot of 1022 00:42:54,799 --> 00:42:51,349 these times or even parapsychological 1023 00:42:56,630 --> 00:42:54,809 I've come across cases where people have 1024 00:42:59,089 --> 00:42:56,640 said that I 1025 00:43:02,059 --> 00:42:59,099 I just something told me I should look 1026 00:43:03,710 --> 00:43:02,069 up in the sky at this moment or I should 1027 00:43:06,020 --> 00:43:03,720 go outside or I should look out my 1028 00:43:08,390 --> 00:43:06,030 window right now and almost like it's 1029 00:43:10,069 --> 00:43:08,400 drawing them to see it we're on the 1030 00:43:12,200 --> 00:43:10,079 other hand we have so many cases where 1031 00:43:14,660 --> 00:43:12,210 the UFO just fell into their lap 1032 00:43:16,130 --> 00:43:14,670 complete happenstance so I don't know 1033 00:43:18,890 --> 00:43:16,140 what to make of that the motives of 1034 00:43:21,470 --> 00:43:18,900 these craft aren't these intelligence 1035 00:43:24,410 --> 00:43:21,480 but it's it really is a wide spectrum 1036 00:43:27,020 --> 00:43:24,420 for sure and I just thought of something 1037 00:43:29,240 --> 00:43:27,030 another thing I like to point people to 1038 00:43:30,650 --> 00:43:29,250 when they ask that question about how do 1039 00:43:33,920 --> 00:43:30,660 I see a UFO or where do I go to see a 1040 00:43:36,799 --> 00:43:33,930 UFO more times than not when you read 1041 00:43:39,049 --> 00:43:36,809 and again UFOs are in mainstream media 1042 00:43:40,910 --> 00:43:39,059 every day more times than not the 1043 00:43:44,240 --> 00:43:40,920 stories that are reported people having 1044 00:43:47,240 --> 00:43:44,250 UFO sightings involve people walking 1045 00:43:50,090 --> 00:43:47,250 their dogs so walk your dogs more people 1046 00:43:52,490 --> 00:43:50,100 I thought that's a good way to do it and 1047 00:43:55,550 --> 00:43:52,500 also want to say again with the the UFOs 1048 00:43:58,010 --> 00:43:55,560 being in the mainstream media there has 1049 00:44:01,370 --> 00:43:58,020 been a lot of a lot of the coverage 1050 00:44:03,500 --> 00:44:01,380 lately has has been pointing out how the 1051 00:44:06,470 --> 00:44:03,510 numbers of UFO sightings are down 1052 00:44:08,990 --> 00:44:06,480 there's there's been a decline and I 1053 00:44:11,300 --> 00:44:09,000 would caution you to read that properly 1054 00:44:14,510 --> 00:44:11,310 so what they're looking at is the number 1055 00:44:17,630 --> 00:44:14,520 of reported sightings and I will say 1056 00:44:20,810 --> 00:44:17,640 this having mentioned that I've had my 1057 00:44:25,760 --> 00:44:20,820 12 plus sightings you know how many I've 1058 00:44:28,550 --> 00:44:25,770 reported most people who see UFOs don't 1059 00:44:31,070 --> 00:44:28,560 report them so that number is misleading 1060 00:44:33,650 --> 00:44:31,080 I didn't know what MUFON was when I was 1061 00:44:37,310 --> 00:44:33,660 12 years old you know a lot of people 1062 00:44:39,770 --> 00:44:37,320 don't you need the famous UFO lecturer 1063 00:44:42,230 --> 00:44:39,780 Stanton Friedman nuclear physicist when 1064 00:44:43,820 --> 00:44:42,240 he speaks at events he will ask the 1065 00:44:47,000 --> 00:44:43,830 audience like how many people have seen 1066 00:44:49,250 --> 00:44:47,010 a UFO 95% of the people raised their 1067 00:44:53,150 --> 00:44:49,260 hands and then he says how many of you 1068 00:44:55,670 --> 00:44:53,160 reported it maybe one person so it's 1069 00:44:57,920 --> 00:44:55,680 hard it's hard in there's so many 1070 00:44:58,820 --> 00:44:57,930 reasons for not reporting it I get it I 1071 00:45:00,470 --> 00:44:58,830 totally get it 1072 00:45:03,890 --> 00:45:00,480 you know you're afraid of what people 1073 00:45:06,050 --> 00:45:03,900 might think or maybe you came up with an 1074 00:45:08,120 --> 00:45:06,060 explanation for it before you reported 1075 00:45:09,620 --> 00:45:08,130 it or maybe you just don't want to know 1076 00:45:11,810 --> 00:45:09,630 but at the end of the day I think yeah 1077 00:45:13,250 --> 00:45:11,820 if you want if you see something say 1078 00:45:15,050 --> 00:45:13,260 something that's what they tell us in 1079 00:45:16,670 --> 00:45:15,060 New York and I encourage people to 1080 00:45:18,800 --> 00:45:16,680 report their sightings absolutely and 1081 00:45:21,260 --> 00:45:18,810 that data is valuable and I think MUFON 1082 00:45:24,050 --> 00:45:21,270 and the national UFO Reporting Center do 1083 00:45:25,490 --> 00:45:24,060 a fantastic job they do a great job of 1084 00:45:27,770 --> 00:45:25,500 tracking this stuff at stuff that should 1085 00:45:29,240 --> 00:45:27,780 be tracked is that exciting when people 1086 00:45:30,950 --> 00:45:29,250 say I saw lighting this guy no it's not 1087 00:45:32,640 --> 00:45:30,960 but it's still data that somebody should 1088 00:45:33,730 --> 00:45:32,650 be tracking and I'm glad that they do it 1089 00:45:36,410 --> 00:45:33,740 [Music] 1090 00:45:38,480 --> 00:45:36,420 that being said when you take a look at 1091 00:45:40,520 --> 00:45:38,490 these reporting forms some of them are 1092 00:45:45,200 --> 00:45:40,530 very of lengthy there and that's 1093 00:45:47,060 --> 00:45:45,210 probably why I haven't reported mine and 1094 00:45:48,980 --> 00:45:47,070 they should be I mean there's more to 1095 00:45:51,080 --> 00:45:48,990 UFO sighting then I saw light in the sky 1096 00:45:53,140 --> 00:45:51,090 at this at this time in this day so yeah 1097 00:45:56,750 --> 00:45:53,150 at the end of the day I think two 1098 00:45:59,180 --> 00:45:56,760 reporting it normalizes this topic more 1099 00:45:59,930 --> 00:45:59,190 and more when we see everyday people I 1100 00:46:03,350 --> 00:45:59,940 have spoke 1101 00:46:06,890 --> 00:46:03,360 into so many police officers military 1102 00:46:09,020 --> 00:46:06,900 people doctors teachers psychologists 1103 00:46:11,180 --> 00:46:09,030 everyone everyone has a story to tell of 1104 00:46:13,400 --> 00:46:11,190 seeing something weird so I think you 1105 00:46:15,650 --> 00:46:13,410 know reporting it even if it's like to 1106 00:46:17,870 --> 00:46:15,660 your local newspaper or whatnot it 1107 00:46:20,270 --> 00:46:17,880 normalizes this topic it strips the 1108 00:46:22,670 --> 00:46:20,280 ridicule funk from it and I think we can 1109 00:46:25,010 --> 00:46:22,680 start having better conversations with 1110 00:46:26,630 --> 00:46:25,020 more people about this I mean just look 1111 00:46:28,610 --> 00:46:26,640 at this room right now these are so many 1112 00:46:30,080 --> 00:46:28,620 people that you could talk to about 1113 00:46:32,150 --> 00:46:30,090 having seen something no matter what it 1114 00:46:34,370 --> 00:46:32,160 was maybe they could help you find an 1115 00:46:36,110 --> 00:46:34,380 explanation for it but conferences are a 1116 00:46:38,620 --> 00:46:36,120 great great place to do that they're 1117 00:46:41,090 --> 00:46:38,630 like a safe space where Oh 1118 00:46:43,280 --> 00:46:41,100 similarly minded people are in a room 1119 00:46:45,560 --> 00:46:43,290 and the ridicule factor is not going to 1120 00:46:48,470 --> 00:46:45,570 exist here but I will say the stigma is 1121 00:46:50,180 --> 00:46:48,480 is going away it might not feel like at 1122 00:46:53,030 --> 00:46:50,190 at times but it is dramatically 1123 00:46:55,130 --> 00:46:53,040 improving and look I mean again alien 1124 00:46:58,400 --> 00:46:55,140 con is a perfect illustration of that 1125 00:47:00,920 --> 00:46:58,410 UFOs and extraterrestrial topics have 1126 00:47:03,260 --> 00:47:00,930 moved into pop culture you know so it's 1127 00:47:05,930 --> 00:47:03,270 accepted now poll after poll indicates 1128 00:47:08,200 --> 00:47:05,940 that you know majority of the people on 1129 00:47:11,510 --> 00:47:08,210 this planet believe that 1130 00:47:15,370 --> 00:47:11,520 extraterrestrials exist and most likely 1131 00:47:18,530 --> 00:47:15,380 have been here and may be here now so 1132 00:47:19,850 --> 00:47:18,540 you know that initial reaction with 1133 00:47:22,400 --> 00:47:19,860 people is going to stick around for a 1134 00:47:24,290 --> 00:47:22,410 while the the the giggle factor the 1135 00:47:27,050 --> 00:47:24,300 ridicule factor can tell you how many 1136 00:47:29,000 --> 00:47:27,060 people hear us when they hear that we 1137 00:47:31,580 --> 00:47:29,010 are taking UFOs seriously they breathe a 1138 00:47:33,260 --> 00:47:31,590 big sigh of relief and then open up but 1139 00:47:35,150 --> 00:47:33,270 their initial reaction is to laugh 1140 00:47:37,700 --> 00:47:35,160 because they think we're kidding yeah 1141 00:47:39,800 --> 00:47:37,710 let me say that you know we take UFO 1142 00:47:41,420 --> 00:47:39,810 seriously and when they find out that 1143 00:47:43,520 --> 00:47:41,430 we're serious then they can let their 1144 00:47:45,620 --> 00:47:43,530 guard down and go all right they're not 1145 00:47:47,900 --> 00:47:45,630 gonna make fun of me so it's a nice 1146 00:47:50,900 --> 00:47:47,910 feeling it really is yeah I remember my 1147 00:47:54,010 --> 00:47:50,910 parents came to see me talk at a UFO 1148 00:47:57,380 --> 00:47:54,020 conference for the first time ever and 1149 00:47:59,030 --> 00:47:57,390 skeptics again they they grew up knowing 1150 00:48:01,070 --> 00:47:59,040 I was interested in the topic I don't 1151 00:48:04,730 --> 00:48:01,080 think they knew how serious I actually 1152 00:48:07,160 --> 00:48:04,740 was about it but they came to see me 1153 00:48:10,040 --> 00:48:07,170 speak in New York last year I think it 1154 00:48:11,600 --> 00:48:10,050 was and afterwards my mother came up to 1155 00:48:12,620 --> 00:48:11,610 me and I've never seen her so brutally 1156 00:48:14,660 --> 00:48:12,630 honest in 1157 00:48:18,440 --> 00:48:14,670 she looked at me and said this is real 1158 00:48:21,290 --> 00:48:18,450 like that this like this stuff is real 1159 00:48:23,600 --> 00:48:21,300 and I was like yeah I mean according to 1160 00:48:24,980 --> 00:48:23,610 the data and the evidence and what I've 1161 00:48:26,900 --> 00:48:24,990 looked at and the people I've spoken to 1162 00:48:28,640 --> 00:48:26,910 I legitimately believe this is a real 1163 00:48:30,980 --> 00:48:28,650 phenomenon people are having these 1164 00:48:32,720 --> 00:48:30,990 experiences I don't know what it is but 1165 00:48:34,760 --> 00:48:32,730 it's happening and it's happening all 1166 00:48:37,280 --> 00:48:34,770 over the world and this isn't just a 1167 00:48:39,380 --> 00:48:37,290 Western phenomenon other countries 1168 00:48:41,360 --> 00:48:39,390 embrace this topic that ridicule factor 1169 00:48:43,670 --> 00:48:41,370 is nowhere to be found so I think if we 1170 00:48:45,740 --> 00:48:43,680 do that here we're we're in good shape 1171 00:48:48,470 --> 00:48:45,750 and you know people like my mom who was 1172 00:48:50,210 --> 00:48:48,480 a staunch skeptic it's starting to come 1173 00:48:52,970 --> 00:48:50,220 around to be like wow I should look more 1174 00:48:55,040 --> 00:48:52,980 into this and yeah yeah that was a that 1175 00:48:57,050 --> 00:48:55,050 was a pivotal moment for me first yeah 1176 00:48:58,760 --> 00:48:57,060 for something like that and that's when 1177 00:49:01,760 --> 00:48:58,770 I knew that the ridicule factor was 1178 00:49:04,310 --> 00:49:01,770 leaving for sure I'm optimistic yeah me 1179 00:49:05,990 --> 00:49:04,320 too well we want to thank the awesome 1180 00:49:08,300 --> 00:49:06,000 alien Con audience for participating 1181 00:49:10,070 --> 00:49:08,310 with us today and as we wrap up this 1182 00:49:12,890 --> 00:49:10,080 episode I'll quickly let you know that 1183 00:49:16,340 --> 00:49:12,900 my podcast unknown is available on all 1184 00:49:18,050 --> 00:49:16,350 the podcast places and certainly all the 1185 00:49:20,400 --> 00:49:18,060 episodes are on our website rogue planet 1186 00:49:29,420 --> 00:49:20,410 TV yeah other than that 1187 00:49:33,740 --> 00:49:31,520 I'm Jason McClellan thank you for 1188 00:49:38,990 --> 00:49:33,750 joining us you may favor friends stay 1189 00:49:41,390 --> 00:49:39,000 strange thanks again to all the people 1190 00:49:42,890 --> 00:49:41,400 who made a lien can't happen and to 1191 00:49:45,020 --> 00:49:42,900 those same people who made it possible 1192 00:49:48,049 --> 00:49:45,030 for me to 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a new 1220 00:50:57,829 --> 00:50:55,650 episode of unknown is published but of 1221 00:51:00,950 --> 00:50:57,839 course you can always find this show on 1222 00:51:03,260 --> 00:51:00,960 our website at rogue planet TV rogue 1223 00:51:05,569 --> 00:51:03,270 planet TV is your home for all the 1224 00:51:07,549 --> 00:51:05,579 strange it's also where you can get your 1225 00:51:10,190 --> 00:51:07,559 own unknown t-shirt from the rogue 1226 00:51:13,370 --> 00:51:10,200 planet store just go to store rogue 1227 00:51:16,010 --> 00:51:13,380 planet TV thanks again for hanging out 1228 00:51:18,960 --> 00:51:16,020 with me today I'm Jason McClellan do me 1229 00:51:21,020 --> 00:51:18,970 a favor friends stay strange